On March 10, 2025, Karen Levine (RE/MAX Alliance), Rose Pugliese (Colorado House of Representatives), Leigh Brown (North Carolina Real Estate), and Brian Phillips (Texas Institute of Property Rights) joined the show. Karen Levine, a veteran RE/MAX Alliance realtor, served as guest host while Kim Monson traveled Colorado House Minority Leader Rose Pugliese reported on the legislative session’s progress, highlighting Republican frustration that bills addressing affordability concerns are being killed in committee while Second Amendment restrictions advance despite lacking constituent support North.
Colorado House Minority Leader Rose Pugliese provided a sobering update from the state capitol. Despite knocking on doors where voters consistently ranked affordability as their top concern, she reported that Republican bills addressing housing costs continue dying in committee.
“But affordability is the number one issue. And I have yet to see, we, our caucus, have yet to see really any bills that address the affordability crisis.”
Rose Pugliese, Colorado House of Representatives
Pugliese highlighted the disconnect between constituent priorities and legislative action, noting that Second Amendment restrictions advance while affordability measures stall. She expressed hope that construction defect reform might finally gain traction after years of failed attempts.
North Carolina realtor Leigh Brown shared updates on her nonprofit work helping hurricane victims bridge the gap between inadequate FEMA assistance and necessary home repairs. She noted that FEMA has failed to index assistance amounts to reflect increased construction costs since COVID.
“Not all of us want to live in a city. Not all of us want to be on top of other people. A lot of people like privacy, and they like to have the liberty that our forefathers had.”
Brown analyzed housing market trends, warning that lower interest rates could reignite bidding wars. She praised new HUD Secretary Scott Turner for eliminating the Obama-era Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing policy that would have removed local zoning control.
Brian Phillips, author of The Affordable Housing Crisis: Causes and Cures, presented a framework for understanding housing policy. He argued that the progressive approach of examining policies in isolation and focusing on group benefits rather than individual rights has failed for over a century.
“I think the biggest culprit in the affordable housing crisis is zoning, and particularly single-family zoning.”
Brian Phillips, Texas Institute of Property Rights
Phillips cited Houston as evidence that cities can thrive without comprehensive zoning. Land use changes happen more quickly through market mechanisms, and deed restrictions provide voluntary alternatives to government mandates. When a listener texted concerns about eliminating zoning, Phillips clarified his free-market position.
“Zoning is coercive and mandatory, whereas deed restrictions are voluntary and contractual. If you don’t like the deed restrictions in one community, you can move to another community.”
He advocated for allowing manufactured housing, mixed-use developments, and reducing building code requirements that add costs without proportional benefits. Phillips noted that even Elon Musk purchased a manufactured home, demonstrating that factory-built housing has evolved far beyond stereotypical trailers.
The episode highlighted a consistent theme: government intervention often creates the problems it claims to solve. Construction defect legislation intended to protect consumers instead eliminated affordable condominium construction. Zoning meant to preserve neighborhoods instead drove up land costs and limited housing options.
Guest host Karen Levine closed with a call to community action, urging listeners to hold elected officials accountable and support small businesses that strengthen local economies.
Episode from The Kim Monson Show
Episode from The Kim Monson Show